Posts by Ultimate Reality

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BOE LTR PDF Nov 17- Notation made to ks10

by yknot in

(( hardcopy link of boe ltr pdf : http://www.sendspace.com/file/1gncdo ))... in my best 'theocratic' voice trying to mimic a service meeting conductor (giggles) ..."if you have acrobat you can insert this behind the other boes in the ks10 pdf, or if not consider downloading and keeping it in the same file as your ks10 for future need to know..... i chose to 'highlight' what i thought might be of interest to the forum in the below transcript but of course it is not limited!.

to all bodies of elders.

re: letters of introduction.

Ultimate Reality

It seems that we can take this as internal evidence that more people are just 'walking away'. Now we have a procedure to handle the cards in this event -- assuming the body knows where the individual moved.

What I really love about this letter is how the Society puts all the liability for what is written in the introductory letter on the local body. Sure, they tell them to include basic biographical information, no surprise there. But then they answer a question with a question: "What informati o n s hould be conveyed in the lett er of introduction ? A s k yourse lf : What information would we want to receive if this person were moving into ou r congregation?"

A typical (Reasoning-book style) non-answer that places all the risk on the local elders!

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4/15/11 Watchtower--quote on ministerial servants

by sd-7 in

jw
friends

so did anyone notice the statement on page 11, paragraph 11?

"if a brother has been baptized at least one year and to a reasonable degree meets the scriptural qualifications fo rministerial servants outlined at 1 timothy 3:8-13, he can be recommended for appointment.

" i thought paul specifically warned against appointing a "newly converted man"?

Ultimate Reality

I can't recall them ever putting an exact time frame on this. And he only has to meet the requirements to a "reasonable degree"? This a religion in decline.

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My mom throws a not so subtle threat my way

by JWinprotest in

jw
friends

my fade is going well, but my mom knows full well what my thoughts are on the wts.

it seems that she feels comfortable just ignoring the situation in order to keep seeing her grandchildren.. the other day however we were talking about someone we know who is making it very difficult for her parents to see their grandchild.. then out of the blue, my mom turns in my direction and says, that if any of her kids try to deny her from seeing her grandchildren, she would take them to court and get a court order to force them to let her see them.. i know what the message was, and it was loud and clear.

she is letting me know that if i get disfellowshipped there's no way i can keep the kids away from her.

Ultimate Reality

So, if the WTS 'denied' her from seeing one of her own children (through DF-ing) would she obey or would she sue them too?

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BOE LTR Dec 9, 2010 (copy/paste) DC listings removed from March 1st WT!!!

by yknot in

christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses'.

same meeting.

meeting.

Ultimate Reality

They are tightening control -- only elders can now access the location of the conventions. Any elders on here that can access the password-protected area of jw.org and post the list?

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Is the information on JWfacts.com accurate?

by Nobleheart in

jw
friends

i'm researching and going through so much material to try and find out whether jw doctrines and beliefs are based on the bible, as well as if they're consistent.

i'm a jw currently and i have many doubts at the moment.

fortunately this site is helping me so much, as there's always someone who's posted the same question i had in mind.

Ultimate Reality

Welcome.

For historical publications go to:

http://www.archive.org/details/WatchTowerBibleandTractSocietyofPennsylvaniaWatchTowerpubs_0

Regarding the ever important 607 vs 587 issue, it is a question of whether the Bible claims that the 70 years were a Jewish timeframe (beginning with the destruction of the Temple) or the Babylonian timeframe for the domination of other nations (from their rise over Assyria in 609 BCE to their end in 539 BCE). Keep investigating, you'll find the answer in the Bible.

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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly in

a long-awaited review by professor h. hunger, foremost authority on babylonian astronomical cuneiform tablets, of dr. r. furuli's assyrian, babylonian, and egyptian chronology.

volume ii of assyrian, babylonian, egyptian, and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible is now available to read for anyone who is interested.

you can find it at http://goto.glocalnet.net/kf4/reviewhunger.htm.

Ultimate Reality

@ Scholar:

Perhaps you missed my earlier post...

Can you please post the specific Bible verses that prove "the reality of the Babylonian Gap"? No commentary needed -- just the books, chapters, and verses.

Thank you.

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H. Hunger Reviews R. Furuli's "Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian Chronology, Volume II"

by AnnOMaly in

a long-awaited review by professor h. hunger, foremost authority on babylonian astronomical cuneiform tablets, of dr. r. furuli's assyrian, babylonian, and egyptian chronology.

volume ii of assyrian, babylonian, egyptian, and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible is now available to read for anyone who is interested.

you can find it at http://goto.glocalnet.net/kf4/reviewhunger.htm.

Ultimate Reality

@ Scholar:

Can you please post the specific Bible verses that prove "the reality of the Babylonian Gap"? No commentary needed -- just the books, chapters, and verses.

Thank you.

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Now why would the WT not ask former elders the 3rd question?

by wheelwithinwheel in

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friends

in chapter 3 of ks-10, paragraph 13 (page 35), the wt corp provides the precise questions that are to be asked aspiring elders before announcing their appointment.

there are only 2 for qualifying brothers who have served previously.

brothers not having served before must be asked a 3rd.. .

Ultimate Reality

The lawyers had to write this. With new appointees they protect themselves by asking the molestation question and they protect themselves from liability through a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy with those already serving. They don't want to have any liability for elders that molest children.

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"Before the Generation ... of 1914 Passes Away"

by doinmypart in

jw
friends

that quote must be embarrassing for the wts, so i figured i'd post it.

it appeared on the inside cover of every awake magazine until a few years ago.. a few weeks ago i attended the funeral of someone born in 1916, she was 94 years old.

i don't know anyone born before or on 1914.. governing body are you ashamed?

Ultimate Reality

But the Generation has not passed away. Jesus really meant that the Generation would have two overlapping groups, one that saw 1914 and one that sees the great tribulation. Together, they make up the Generation that will not pass away. We can thank holy spirit for shedding new light on this topic.

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Mind Control on Dr. Phil

by brotherdan in

usually i'm not into dr. phil at all.

but yesterday he had on dr. philip zimbardo from standford university on the show to talk about obedience to authority.

now the focus was on people doing bad and cruel things when obeying authority, but i could not help but see how many of the psychological issues also seemed to take place in jehovah's witnesses.. for example, a man was waiting outside the studio when a security gaurd walked up to the waiting man with a supposed thief.

Ultimate Reality

Anyone interested in this topic should read the Milgram study on Obedience to Authority -- it's far more comprehensive than any of the studies currently done on this issue.